The Shape of Work

#127: Frederick John on vetting and hiring Product Managers, how to do product work remotely, and what 'bad' product leaders get wrong

October 05, 2021 Springworks Season 1 Episode 127
The Shape of Work
#127: Frederick John on vetting and hiring Product Managers, how to do product work remotely, and what 'bad' product leaders get wrong
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“To me, Steve Jobs is a true epitome of product management. If you think about his role, it draws a lot of inspiration. Not only was he the brains behind Apple, but he helped design it. He helped develop and sell it. And that's why I refer to product managers as the CEO of their product.”

If there’s anyone that knows how to build products, it’s Frederick John, who is a 20-year veteran of the product industry and a go-to thought leader in both product development and product management with a diverse domain background —including working with giants like Deloitte, GE Digital, ADP and NCR Corporation.

He currently brings that expertise to Diebold Nixdorf as the Vice President of Global Product Management, Banking.

TOP TAKEAWAYS

  1. Why are Product managers the CEO of their products?
  2. How to vet different aspiring product managers coming from diverse backgrounds?
  3. Impact of the pandemic on product manager workflow
  4. Difference between product managers: Early-stage versus Enterprise-Stage
  5. The biggest mistake that product managers make.

 EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Why are Product Managers CEO of their Products?

Frederick currently leads a team of 50 product managers and product developers. According to him, they act as mini CEOs of their products; they go out and help others. The indirect or dotted line influence of the product team is actually throughout the entire software organization. 

The concept of keeping product management is relatively new. The agile transformation led to the need for product managers. The iterative approach of agile requires product managers to build everything in two weeks.

How to Vet Different Aspiring Product Managers Coming from Diverse Backgrounds?

The background doesn’t matter, but it is their approach to products in general that matters. A product leader must check if someone from a technical background understands pain areas and good points developed for their clients since empathy isn’t a scoring criterion in interviews. 

Impact of the Pandemic on Product Manager Workflow
Pandemic has affected product development, which is visible in the details of product design, stories, understanding of development, and quality team. There is absolutely nothing in a virtual environment that can replace the power of 8 people stuck in a room looking at a whiteboard. 

Difference Between Product Managers: Early-Stage Versus Enterprise-Stage

The good thing about large companies is that the reach is much wider If you want to know about what is happening in the world. Offshore or nearshore development capabilities let you create products quickly and economically. You can also tap the diverse talent pool available across the globe. 

Smaller companies have agility, skill, and flexibility; they can soon move in the direction of technology or in which clients are moving. Hence, innovation happens faster, the concepts and deployment of new technology occur rapidly. Product managers can’t have that agility at the enterprise level.

The Biggest Mistake that Product Managers Make
Most product managers treat the products as babies, and it is hard to call the babies ugly. Hence, they end up making the biggest mistake by not stepping back and doing a course correction. They should have the humility to view with the lens of pure facts versus emotions. 

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Produced by: Priya Bhatt
Podcast host: Abhash Kumar

Why the product manager is referred to as the CEO of the product
How he got into product management
How to vet different sets of aspiring product managers: those who are just looking to get started vs those who want to move from another field
Questions to evaluate intangible skills of a product manager
How has the product manager workflow changed since the pandemic- missing good old days of whiteboard, sticky notes and morning office scrums
Difference between product managers: Early-stage vs Hypergrowth stage vs Enterprise stage
Mistakes that bad product leaders make